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Mary Honeyball v A Green Lobby

I suppose that I qualify as a long-time antagonist of Mrs Mary Honeyball. She doesn't like religion, and I am a happy Catholic. She is committed to a sort of statist feminist orthodoxy I am not keen on. She is a London Member of the European Parliament, and was appointed to that body from a list in accordance with the electoral system, and I don't agree with it.

One thing about her which I have noticed, however, is that she is honest--honourable, even, though that term is hackneyed. She does slog away at the European Parliament's somewhat pointless rituals, does attend the hearings at a ludicrous body that meets in Strasbourg and Brussels and very occasionally Luxembourg, and does seem to declare all her expenses. These are very few; they mostly consist of a use of continental transport and the occasional use of a car park when taking a flight from the London City Airport.

A 'green organisation' is currently having a go at her. They have a website here, in which they accuse her of ignoring them, though they seem to have no comment facility, nor a right of response. They have launched into her about a very small use of parking places at London City Airport as an elected representative.

The Fight the Flights Organisation styles itself a local, anti airport expansion initiative. It has a very real case that airflights are complicating the lives of citizens near London airport very severely, and that expansion of the city airport would be a problem.

I think that the FFO has a perfect right to do what it is doing. Democracy in the west, however debased it is, is these days more about lobbies than parties. This seems especially true of the Green movement. I'd hate to live under or near London city airport too. Though I'm on the Heathrow flight path, and can sometimes read the words on the fuselage of aeroplanes above, I can rarely hear them, due to some trick of the Putney acoustics.

So far, so good. However, the FFO is funded, as it declares, by the Manuka Club. This is, in turn, funded by a Goldsmith foundation, mostly a group of ecologist Etonians. They give out money from an office in Queen Anne Street, Westminster, via a network of political organisers who know each other and who are committed to policies that I think would bring about the reduction of living standards, and to the unproven case for carbon-related global warming reduction. The Manuka club is, in any analysis, a lobby, advancing an agenda as political as that of any American tort lawyer or lobbyist, though not usually party-political, through small grants.

Can you imagine what Greens would do if they found any evidence at all that people who genuinely question the dodgy science behind their assumptions accepted money from corporate--not charitable--networks of oil and gas companies? How is the Manuka club different? A 'Manuka Club Limited' is registered at Companies House under No.04692608

The Fight the Flights Organisation seem to share Green politics; their links page is full of links to organisations such as the Greenwich Green Party, Plane Stupid, and Greenpeace. They are above board about it, and don't make any effort to hide it.

I don't like Mary's politics, but I think that she knocks herself out for what she believes, and is open about those beliefs, to the point of irritating people like me. I don't like the way that she claims democratic accountability, because I think the electoral system is a boondoggle dreamt up by parties that doesn't hold individuals accountable. So, of course, are networks of centrally-funded local campaigns.

I don't like seeing someone--even someone I've made fun of--accused of dishonesty like Mary has been over some silly car park privilege that comes with a job. I also don't like Greenery, I'm open about that. If you don't like London airport, you should support another airport with more capacity, or a lower standard of living, or airships; and of course you have a right to do that.

But be completely open about your politics, your aims, and your money, that's all. Mary's out there campaigning for her pointless seat and trying, much as I wish she wasn't--why should a Green front attempt to gain the moral advantage in this fight?

This blog is moderated and I will exercise my discretion with comments, Nothing personal, libellous, or unfounded, please. I also work for a living, so if you send comments, don't expect them to go up immediately. I will also correct any errors if you can show them to be such.

UPDATE:

By the way, the Fight the Flights blog is well worth reading. The asthma and noise associated with London City Airport alone by some ought to make you think about a new set of runways somewhere else, and about the case for very large-scale investment in trains, powered by new power stations, right away. I somehow suspect that those dots aren't joined by some in the campaign, but you live and learn and I have been shown up as wrong before....

UPDATE TWO

In that inevitable way of this blog, whenever Mrs Mary Honeyball is mentioned I end up falling over myself like a vaudeville character, but growing a bit in the process. I'm sure she's some sort of secret zen Fu-Manchu puppet master like Peter Sellers in Being There. Anyway, the upshot is that I re-read this post and I think that I'm in the wrong and the Fight the Flights campaign is probably in the right, and also that I have no real word for what they are--lobby, network, organisation, or whatever. They've posted below and I responded, and I wish them well. London needs a new airport and good trains--not kids with asthma and people stuck under flightpaths in urban areas.

Comments

Hi Martin

Just for your information Fight The Flights is not an organization. It's made up from residents from across the boroughs from all backgrounds negatively effected by London City Airport. Don't try to put is in some sort of BOX as there's no one BOX we fit into. We have no politics as you will see if you read many of our blogs. We focus on people in every political party. Conservative and Labor have been most blogged on as they have been sending out only one side of the story. London City Airport's PR machine has made sure of that. There are always 2 sides to every story and we decided to make sure that people get as much of the truth as possible.
As for Manuka we requested help as we are a residential group and do not have the funds to hire rooms, pay for websites, run events etc. Manuka thought are cause a just.

A new blog has been written as Mary has contacted us. You can read it here. http://londoncityairportfighttheflights.blogspot.com/2009/05/mary-honeyball-and-london-city-airport.html

Hope this clears up some questions. As always we can be contacted at fighttheflights@yahoo.co.uk and on our contact page on our website http://www.londoncityairportfighttheflights.com/#/contactus/4532087679

Thanks
Martin Meenagh said…
Thank you for your comment.

I think, having thought about it, that my post was a little confused, and that you are right, and I was in the wrong. So I apologise.

You are organised, but I didn't mean to cause offence. I think that you are an old type of organisation--a bit, as you describe it, like the workers' groups, or credit unions, or church things a hundred years ago, but built around new technology and the city and mixtures of activists.

I looked for an old name for you--lobby or pressure group or whatever--because I didn't quite understand what I was looking at.

I also grasped at something I did understand, which is the Manuka club. What's to stop you trying to even the odds a little? Even if they are the way they are, on reflection I can't see whats wrong with it if there is no quid pro quo in your views.

I could go on about from all the perspectives I usually pontificate from; but ultimately, your case seems to be that your life is being made a misery by aircraft noise and that your children have asthma from pollution. You seem to be trying to do something about that. Good luck. I think that, even if we are in a long economic crunch and the oil is running out, you can't sit back and wait or let people run all over you.

Nor can you rely on useless political parties, or on representation in organisations that can't represent you but that exist for those parties and for the state, or the want-to-be state.

Don't be too harsh on Mary Honeyball. I used to be, but she tries. I disagree very strongly with many but not all of the things she says, but if a person tries and isn't going out of their way to sneer or be offensive, accusing them of trying it on with car parks is, again, something that people who are confused by the message grip onto.

Blogland has very little courtesy in it. I hope that you didn't take what I said personally, and I wish you well. I think that we should have a new London airport and fewer business flights, but most of all I think someone should give me a free ride around in a big jet because I love planes. So I should declare an interest.

I promise, if anyone does, to push for it to be parked somewhere other than above your house. And I promise, if I want to smack a Green idea again, that I won't transfer the urge to people who are trying to do themselves a little good.

All the best,

Martin

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